Howard Owens at Blogcritics.com (‘a sinister cabal of superior bloggers’) believes ‘Bono’s leftish fans’ don’t understand “the anti-war protests aren’t really about Iraq or the Iraqi people, but about hating America”. He is welcome to take that position, and it won’t stop me from reading Blogcritics. But seriously, does Howard think U2 fans carry lean to the left mostly? We haven’t done the math, but think our readership is split down the middle.
On his own site, Howard has written some more articles relating to U2.
yeah, i thought that they cut his quote short. i was wondering if he continued after saying “… sincerely wrong …”
yeah, i thought that they cut his quote short. i was wondering if he continued after saying “… sincerely wrong …”
Personally, I don’t think he was cut short. It sounds like an attempt at a quotable soundbyte to me.
Personally, I don’t think he was cut short. It sounds like an attempt at a quotable soundbyte to me.
for my part, all i`m willing to say to those nonsense leftist vs. rightist observations concerning the war on iraq is, that pro/contra people can be quite clearly split in people, who are able to differentiate and those who believe it
for my part, all i`m willing to say to those nonsense leftist vs. rightist observations concerning the war on iraq is, that pro/contra people can be quite clearly split in people, who are able to differentiate and those who believe it
sounds like this guy Owens is guilty of at least one thing: being a snob. I don’t appreciate being told what to think (and Bono recognizes that – it’s why he doesn’t tell people how to vote) and I ESPECIALLY don’t like Owens’ implication that not only am I told what to think, I lap it up like an eager puppy. Not all people are vacuums waiting to be filled by the hot air of a public persona. As for the anti-war protests being solely about hating America, I have one thing to say – here in Charlottesville, Virginia, the anti-war protest drew thousands, while the pro-war rally drew a few dozen. Does Owens think we hate our own country?
sounds like this guy Owens is guilty of at least one thing: being a snob. I don’t appreciate being told what to think (and Bono recognizes that – it’s why he doesn’t tell people how to vote) and I ESPECIALLY don’t like Owens’ implication that not only am I told what to think, I lap it up like an eager puppy. Not all people are vacuums waiting to be filled by the hot air of a public persona. As for the anti-war protests being solely about hating America, I have one thing to say – here in Charlottesville, Virginia, the anti-war protest drew thousands, while the pro-war rally drew a few dozen. Does Owens think we hate our own country?
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yeah, Dave, as we all call him, is from Cville. I actually don’t listen to his music at all. I think it’s boring. But once I moved here, I learned quickly to keep that opinion to myself! He’s at least a minor diety around here. It’s been good for the arts community at least.
yeah, Dave, as we all call him, is from Cville. I actually don’t listen to his music at all. I think it’s boring. But once I moved here, I learned quickly to keep that opinion to myself! He’s at least a minor diety around here. It’s been good for the arts community at least.
Er…Bono hasn’t said much at all comparatively about this thing. Yes, I do lean left and I don’t believe Bush has provided enough evidence for a preemptive strike…but I thought this long before Bono made his quite mild remark against the war.
Er…Bono hasn’t said much at all comparatively about this thing. Yes, I do lean left and I don’t believe Bush has provided enough evidence for a preemptive strike…but I thought this long before Bono made his quite mild remark against the war.
I love Bono but I have my own views about things, I don’t think any one just follows what Bono is saying. I think most people are smarter then that…
I love Bono but I have my own views about things, I don’t think any one just follows what Bono is saying. I think most people are smarter then that…
one of the downsides to bono’s activism has been that people want to use him to prop up their beliefs. why is he so pressured to put forward his stance on the proposed war, when really what he is is an all conquering rock god – not a quote machine? (which doesn’t stop him). for god’s sake, make up your own mind about what your stand is, but don’t use bono (or anyone) to beef up your point. although, it doesn’t take a genius to see that u2 lean (heavily) left in all their political action – that either makes them twice as appealing to you, or matters none.
one of the downsides to bono’s activism has been that people want to use him to prop up their beliefs. why is he so pressured to put forward his stance on the proposed war, when really what he is is an all conquering rock god – not a quote machine? (which doesn’t stop him). for god’s sake, make up your own mind about what your stand is, but don’t use bono (or anyone) to beef up your point. although, it doesn’t take a genius to see that u2 lean (heavily) left in all their political action – that either makes them twice as appealing to you, or matters none.
For the record, I never said, or even implied, that all U2 fans are lefty. I was referring to that segment of U2 fans that are lefty. U2 fans cut the entire political spectrum, just like America.
I’ve been a U2 since the first week Boy was released in the States, and I’m certainly not telling any one how to think.
I am telling people who think crap are thinking crap, and MOST of the anti-war crowd is full of crap. As Bono pointed out, too many of the anti-war crowd premise their opposition on stupid ideas like “it’s about the oil” and other conspiracy crap.
Also, I’m not saying Bono should or shouldn’t take a position. I am merely chronicaling the think of one of the most, to me at least, interesting men in the world.
I write about Bono as a fan and nothing else. I’m fascinated by the guy and whenever I make a list of the top 5 people I would like to meet some day, he’s always on it. (And, some might be surprised to know this, George Bush is never on it).
Bono’s opposition to the war such as it is is rather mild. In one respect that surprises me because I know Bono deep in his heart is a pacifist, but not a pacisfist in the weak-kneed nature of most pacisfist, cause he’s also a realist. On the other hand, I didn’t expect him to take any concret position on the war because the whole DATA thing is his real passion and he would probably not be distracted by the war, or lose support for DATA because he came out strongly against the war (as he surely would, since a lot of conservatives, like myself — not to mention the president — support his AIDS/Africa efforts).
Bono’s a smart man. I’ll be surprised if any position he takes on war with Iraq isn’t nuanced and conditioned and hedged all to heck.
BTW: The transcript thing was written before Bono had made any statements on the war, because I found it surprising that he hadn’t. Also not surprising for the reasons I’ve said. But still worth commenting on, and I thought I would have some fun with it.
For the record, I never said, or even implied, that all U2 fans are lefty. I was referring to that segment of U2 fans that are lefty. U2 fans cut the entire political spectrum, just like America.
I’ve been a U2 since the first week Boy was released in the States, and I’m certainly not telling any one how to think.
I am telling people who think crap are thinking crap, and MOST of the anti-war crowd is full of crap. As Bono pointed out, too many of the anti-war crowd premise their opposition on stupid ideas like “it’s about the oil” and other conspiracy crap.
Also, I’m not saying Bono should or shouldn’t take a position. I am merely chronicaling the think of one of the most, to me at least, interesting men in the world.
I write about Bono as a fan and nothing else. I’m fascinated by the guy and whenever I make a list of the top 5 people I would like to meet some day, he’s always on it. (And, some might be surprised to know this, George Bush is never on it).
Bono’s opposition to the war such as it is is rather mild. In one respect that surprises me because I know Bono deep in his heart is a pacifist, but not a pacisfist in the weak-kneed nature of most pacisfist, cause he’s also a realist. On the other hand, I didn’t expect him to take any concret position on the war because the whole DATA thing is his real passion and he would probably not be distracted by the war, or lose support for DATA because he came out strongly against the war (as he surely would, since a lot of conservatives, like myself — not to mention the president — support his AIDS/Africa efforts).
Bono’s a smart man. I’ll be surprised if any position he takes on war with Iraq isn’t nuanced and conditioned and hedged all to heck.
BTW: The transcript thing was written before Bono had made any statements on the war, because I found it surprising that he hadn’t. Also not surprising for the reasons I’ve said. But still worth commenting on, and I thought I would have some fun with it.
“All conquering rock god”, I love it! As much as people hate hearing from Hollywood-types on the Iraq situation, I think Bono has achieved a new level of relevance in the _world_ of politics, kinda like Bob Marley and John Lennon (but better!) Heck, FOX News ran a clip of him in France and didn’t make fun of him agreeing with Chirac! I know I was curious to hear what Bono had to say, and I wasn’t surprised or disappointed.
“All conquering rock god”, I love it! As much as people hate hearing from Hollywood-types on the Iraq situation, I think Bono has achieved a new level of relevance in the _world_ of politics, kinda like Bob Marley and John Lennon (but better!) Heck, FOX News ran a clip of him in France and didn’t make fun of him agreeing with Chirac! I know I was curious to hear what Bono had to say, and I wasn’t surprised or disappointed.
I think this whole discussion thing is a little off kilter. I am quite a bit more sympathetic to thoughts on the left than the right BUT I think it’s insane to act like: Right-leaner = War-monger. As for Bono as pacifist he has said several times in the last year that he USED TO BE a pacifist but that having children started changing his view slowly and then 9-11 changed sealed the deal and he no longer believes that absolute pacifism is a viable answer. As he said in front of the Elysee Palace, “who wouldn’t be for peace?” — but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t think military action can have its right place and time. I personally am NOT convinced AT ALL that we should attack Iraq. I am not comfortable with this war whatsoever at this point.
I think this whole discussion thing is a little off kilter. I am quite a bit more sympathetic to thoughts on the left than the right BUT I think it’s insane to act like: Right-leaner = War-monger. As for Bono as pacifist he has said several times in the last year that he USED TO BE a pacifist but that having children started changing his view slowly and then 9-11 changed sealed the deal and he no longer believes that absolute pacifism is a viable answer. As he said in front of the Elysee Palace, “who wouldn’t be for peace?” — but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t think military action can have its right place and time. I personally am NOT convinced AT ALL that we should attack Iraq. I am not comfortable with this war whatsoever at this point.
If you -can – think, then, really no one can tell you how too. I know there are more people in the middle. The ones who don’t want to see this happen and know it may be the only way to keep something from happening. It doesn’t mean anyone is right or wrong, left or right. I don’t follow anyones opinon, but I like this verse from One Tree Hill: I don’t believe in painted roses or bleeding hearts…. However it was the ‘right’ that turned the phrase into preconceived curse word(s) describing the left. We could all do alot better with a little more bleeding hearts.
I like a lot of verse and poetry, I just love to hear U2 sing theirs.. And yes I do follow, but only my God….I do agree w/Lucy, we are not all vacuums waiting to be filled by a public persona. As witnessed here on this forum. I truly take offense at anyone trying to tell me what they think the people I respect are really saying. That goes for anti-or pro, war. In the grand scheme of things what I really hope for isn’t going to happen…. So I’m leaving it to a higher power.
If you -can – think, then, really no one can tell you how too. I know there are more people in the middle. The ones who don’t want to see this happen and know it may be the only way to keep something from happening. It doesn’t mean anyone is right or wrong, left or right. I don’t follow anyones opinon, but I like this verse from One Tree Hill: I don’t believe in painted roses or bleeding hearts…. However it was the ‘right’ that turned the phrase into preconceived curse word(s) describing the left. We could all do alot better with a little more bleeding hearts.
I like a lot of verse and poetry, I just love to hear U2 sing theirs.. And yes I do follow, but only my God….I do agree w/Lucy, we are not all vacuums waiting to be filled by a public persona. As witnessed here on this forum. I truly take offense at anyone trying to tell me what they think the people I respect are really saying. That goes for anti-or pro, war. In the grand scheme of things what I really hope for isn’t going to happen…. So I’m leaving it to a higher power.
Oh, and that secret white house source, please, that’s so much blather. I can’t even begin to express just how stupid that sounds. What is he thinking, that the intellegent people here really believe someone overheard that type of conversation. Try watching a bit more of the quality shows. Like the West Wing maybe.. It’s not real but it’s better than that bs…
Oh, and that secret white house source, please, that’s so much blather. I can’t even begin to express just how stupid that sounds. What is he thinking, that the intellegent people here really believe someone overheard that type of conversation. Try watching a bit more of the quality shows. Like the West Wing maybe.. It’s not real but it’s better than that bs…
Sue… I was with ya until your second post. Maybe I could quote Bono’s 1988 Grammy acceptance speech for you… “That’s a JOKE. (mumbles) Sometimes they don’t understand.” 🙂
Sue… I was with ya until your second post. Maybe I could quote Bono’s 1988 Grammy acceptance speech for you… “That’s a JOKE. (mumbles) Sometimes they don’t understand.” 🙂
whoa, your syntax is really crapola : “i am telling people who think crap are thinking crap, and MOST of the anti-war crowd is full of crap.” what does that mean? i am anti war, left leaning, not in favour of the current admininstraion, hawkish behaviour in general and the frankly terrifying merging of church and state. what am i, in your estimation – full of crap? thanks a lot. i am not anti-american, but i am anti american foreign policy choices. many people might ask what this is doing on a u2 discussion board – well, you brought it up when you drew bono into your own political agenda, as if you have even the slightest inkling of what’s on his mind. that is my objection to this whole thread – it is presuming knowledge of someone that frankly, none of us have. u2 are an overtly political band – they are no britney spears – so mixing music and politics comes with the territory. and i thank them for their unwavering commitment to fighting human rights abuses (amnesty intl), environmental destruction (greenpeace), AIDS (DATA), and eleviating third world debt (jubliee) – but mostly i thank them for putting some of the most life changing music into the world. getting off this soapbox – now.
whoa, your syntax is really crapola : “i am telling people who think crap are thinking crap, and MOST of the anti-war crowd is full of crap.” what does that mean? i am anti war, left leaning, not in favour of the current admininstraion, hawkish behaviour in general and the frankly terrifying merging of church and state. what am i, in your estimation – full of crap? thanks a lot. i am not anti-american, but i am anti american foreign policy choices. many people might ask what this is doing on a u2 discussion board – well, you brought it up when you drew bono into your own political agenda, as if you have even the slightest inkling of what’s on his mind. that is my objection to this whole thread – it is presuming knowledge of someone that frankly, none of us have. u2 are an overtly political band – they are no britney spears – so mixing music and politics comes with the territory. and i thank them for their unwavering commitment to fighting human rights abuses (amnesty intl), environmental destruction (greenpeace), AIDS (DATA), and eleviating third world debt (jubliee) – but mostly i thank them for putting some of the most life changing music into the world. getting off this soapbox – now.
yeah, as far as the White House thing goes … uh, yeah … it’s like, you know, a joke. Sorry you didn’t get it. But you’re not the first person not to get a joke. Do you really believe I could possibly get a white house transcript?
At any rate, sorry for the tortured syntax … you’ll find more explanation of my whole thinking on crap thinking and anti-Americanism, etc. by reading my site.
But obviously you’re not reading very closely since I never pretended to be speaking for Bono or draw him into anything. I’m simply drawing observations and thinking about what the man is saying, because I FIND HIM INTERESTING.
Is that so hard to understand?
yeah, as far as the White House thing goes … uh, yeah … it’s like, you know, a joke. Sorry you didn’t get it. But you’re not the first person not to get a joke. Do you really believe I could possibly get a white house transcript?
At any rate, sorry for the tortured syntax … you’ll find more explanation of my whole thinking on crap thinking and anti-Americanism, etc. by reading my site.
But obviously you’re not reading very closely since I never pretended to be speaking for Bono or draw him into anything. I’m simply drawing observations and thinking about what the man is saying, because I FIND HIM INTERESTING.
Is that so hard to understand?
Howard, (and others), we posted the links to your site to highlight the variety in opinions among U2 fans and to jumpstart civilised discussion. Not to encourage yet another slamfest. Unfortunately, in this world, some people confuse the verbs ‘to discuss’ and ‘to attack’…
Howard, (and others), we posted the links to your site to highlight the variety in opinions among U2 fans and to jumpstart civilised discussion. Not to encourage yet another slamfest. Unfortunately, in this world, some people confuse the verbs ‘to discuss’ and ‘to attack’…
its bullshit to say the war is (just) for oil. it’s for the safety of america. iraq is a threat to america, we need to get rid of it, no matter how many people die, or how the iraqi think. you have to kill others to ensure the safety of america. and you have to kill all the iraqi people, cos you never know who will be the next saddam hussein.
its like you have a neighbor who is a bastard, and he got an axe, the ‘Weapon of Mass Destruction’!!! kill him, although he did not cause any trouble in the past 12 years. should we call the police and let them take care of it? no, we are the police, the world police, we have the right to kill anyone we think dangerous. lets break into the house and kill the bastard. oh! the bastard has kept a lot of olive oil, lets grab it. we are not here for the oil, but its here, why not taking it? and we soon find other dangerous neighbors, north korea, libya, iran, syria…kill them all, make the world our colony!
there were germany, and there were japan, now america. and thats great to me. clinton was a bit too conservative, we don’t want peace. bush is what we call a good president, let us all gave him a fellatio.
its bullshit to say the war is (just) for oil. it’s for the safety of america. iraq is a threat to america, we need to get rid of it, no matter how many people die, or how the iraqi think. you have to kill others to ensure the safety of america. and you have to kill all the iraqi people, cos you never know who will be the next saddam hussein.
its like you have a neighbor who is a bastard, and he got an axe, the ‘Weapon of Mass Destruction’!!! kill him, although he did not cause any trouble in the past 12 years. should we call the police and let them take care of it? no, we are the police, the world police, we have the right to kill anyone we think dangerous. lets break into the house and kill the bastard. oh! the bastard has kept a lot of olive oil, lets grab it. we are not here for the oil, but its here, why not taking it? and we soon find other dangerous neighbors, north korea, libya, iran, syria…kill them all, make the world our colony!
there were germany, and there were japan, now america. and thats great to me. clinton was a bit too conservative, we don’t want peace. bush is what we call a good president, let us all gave him a fellatio.
Howard, for what its worth, I really enjoyed your article “Bono, Jesus, Judas and me.” I have similar feelings about U2’s music.
Howard, for what its worth, I really enjoyed your article “Bono, Jesus, Judas and me.” I have similar feelings about U2’s music.
I am a “conservative” who has worked for Republicans on the state level for 4 years and yet anxiously await Bono’s pontifications. It helps keep me grounded more towards the middle!
I am a “conservative” who has worked for Republicans on the state level for 4 years and yet anxiously await Bono’s pontifications. It helps keep me grounded more towards the middle!
French businesses, led by the oil conglomerates, established warm and profitable relationships with Iraq’s Baathist regime dating back to the 1970s, when Iraq ditched Anglo-American companies and nationalized its oil industry. Again, after the 1991 Gulf War, French companies moved aggressively into the business channels opened up by the U.N.’s oil-for-food deal with Iraq. France’s defense industry has also profited from sales to Iraq. What’s the difference between this and, say, past U.S. commercial ties to Baghdad? The socialist economic model that links both France and Iraq: As is widely documented, few business deals between the state-controlled conglomerates are made without heavy massaging by French politicians.
French businesses, led by the oil conglomerates, established warm and profitable relationships with Iraq’s Baathist regime dating back to the 1970s, when Iraq ditched Anglo-American companies and nationalized its oil industry. Again, after the 1991 Gulf War, French companies moved aggressively into the business channels opened up by the U.N.’s oil-for-food deal with Iraq. France’s defense industry has also profited from sales to Iraq. What’s the difference between this and, say, past U.S. commercial ties to Baghdad? The socialist economic model that links both France and Iraq: As is widely documented, few business deals between the state-controlled conglomerates are made without heavy massaging by French politicians.
I took part in the major rally in Melbourne Australia a few weekends ago and I can tell you, most of the people there are unashamedly anti-American. Not just anti-Dubya and anti-war, but they arrogantly think they’re better than Americans. I marched alongside people whose main motivation was not to defend the innocent lives who will suffer because of war, but they marched because they hate McDonalds hamburgers, hate Dubya, hate American media dominance, hate bad television sitcoms and Hollywood movies, hate rap music and they carp on and on and on about American culture polluting Australia, that we’re becoming American-ised.
Which is ironic because these are the same people who (rightly) oppose a redneck racist politician by the name of Pauline Hanson who is anti-Asian and believes Australia is becoming too Asian-ised.
Racism is racism, and being racist towards Americans is just as bad. I was ashamed to be marching alongside these people, most of whom have NEVER done anything to help organisations like UNICEF out in their lives, organisations and people who are over in Iraq and Afghanistan and Africa helping the people there with education and health and infrastructure. Most of the people who marched are hypocrites, no ifs and buts about it, marching purely out of arrogant ignorant spite, making them no better nor worse than the men they march against, Dubya, Blair and Howard.
The worst thing? Most of these people don’t even know the history of Iraq and the history of US involvement. Most of the marchers reckon it’s all about oil, that they know everything, yet they’re too goddamn arrogant and ignorant to read up on history and the facts. If they did, then they wouldn’t be marching because they’d be feeling damned-if-you-do-and-damned-if-you-don’t, knowing that it’s all shades of grey.
There’s only one thing worse than Right Wing warmongering, and that’s Left Wing hypocrisy.
I took part in the major rally in Melbourne Australia a few weekends ago and I can tell you, most of the people there are unashamedly anti-American. Not just anti-Dubya and anti-war, but they arrogantly think they’re better than Americans. I marched alongside people whose main motivation was not to defend the innocent lives who will suffer because of war, but they marched because they hate McDonalds hamburgers, hate Dubya, hate American media dominance, hate bad television sitcoms and Hollywood movies, hate rap music and they carp on and on and on about American culture polluting Australia, that we’re becoming American-ised.
Which is ironic because these are the same people who (rightly) oppose a redneck racist politician by the name of Pauline Hanson who is anti-Asian and believes Australia is becoming too Asian-ised.
Racism is racism, and being racist towards Americans is just as bad. I was ashamed to be marching alongside these people, most of whom have NEVER done anything to help organisations like UNICEF out in their lives, organisations and people who are over in Iraq and Afghanistan and Africa helping the people there with education and health and infrastructure. Most of the people who marched are hypocrites, no ifs and buts about it, marching purely out of arrogant ignorant spite, making them no better nor worse than the men they march against, Dubya, Blair and Howard.
The worst thing? Most of these people don’t even know the history of Iraq and the history of US involvement. Most of the marchers reckon it’s all about oil, that they know everything, yet they’re too goddamn arrogant and ignorant to read up on history and the facts. If they did, then they wouldn’t be marching because they’d be feeling damned-if-you-do-and-damned-if-you-don’t, knowing that it’s all shades of grey.
There’s only one thing worse than Right Wing warmongering, and that’s Left Wing hypocrisy.
Hard Truth, you said it straight mate. I’m against the war, but I’m also against hypocrisy and I know that France’s stance is the worst kind of hypocrisy. I had friends at the march praising the French stand against America, and they were yelling slogans that America is only after Iraq’s oil. They were too arrogant, too ignorant, to realise France is after oil!!
It is all just so frustrating.
Hard Truth, you said it straight mate. I’m against the war, but I’m also against hypocrisy and I know that France’s stance is the worst kind of hypocrisy. I had friends at the march praising the French stand against America, and they were yelling slogans that America is only after Iraq’s oil. They were too arrogant, too ignorant, to realise France is after oil!!
It is all just so frustrating.
I think U2 & Bono are great and are entitled to their own opinion on the war. Fact is this: The USA has been saving the French peoples arses for 100 years and all they do is knife us in the back! The Germans were our opponent in WWII and we whipped them. The Russians and Chineese basically have always hated our freedom. They are basically communistic. I am proud to have the UK and Spain as our allies, as we decimate the brutal Iraqi dictator Sadamm! PS I bet the new U2 record will be great!!
I think U2 & Bono are great and are entitled to their own opinion on the war. Fact is this: The USA has been saving the French peoples arses for 100 years and all they do is knife us in the back! The Germans were our opponent in WWII and we whipped them. The Russians and Chineese basically have always hated our freedom. They are basically communistic. I am proud to have the UK and Spain as our allies, as we decimate the brutal Iraqi dictator Sadamm! PS I bet the new U2 record will be great!!
The New York Times put it in a report about Chirac
The New York Times put it in a report about Chirac
The Manchester Guardian Weekly quoted Chirac as saying that he was
The Manchester Guardian Weekly quoted Chirac as saying that he was
In America, we have the right to respectfully disagree or to question any policy or actions, our government has instrumented. Without fear, of internment and torture. I personally cherish that right and all the freedoms, I am granted under the U.S. Constitution. And because of that I want to make a point, about real heroes. They are the men and women in my opinion, who serve in the armed forces. Not politicains or respectfully, even rock stars. If we go to war, some of our “Heroes” will return to their families, in body bags. The fortunate ones, who make it out of there alive. Please give them your absolute respect. And do not treat them in the same appalling manor that the Vietnam Vets were treated. Being 46 years old, I remember well, the horrible names such as “war mongers and baby killers.” Even worst, some people actually spit in the faces of those “Heroes.” There is always going to be debates on issues of war, and foriegn policy but please, try to honor our “Heroes.” Pray they return home quickly and safely, to their families. I know I will.
In America, we have the right to respectfully disagree or to question any policy or actions, our government has instrumented. Without fear, of internment and torture. I personally cherish that right and all the freedoms, I am granted under the U.S. Constitution. And because of that I want to make a point, about real heroes. They are the men and women in my opinion, who serve in the armed forces. Not politicains or respectfully, even rock stars. If we go to war, some of our “Heroes” will return to their families, in body bags. The fortunate ones, who make it out of there alive. Please give them your absolute respect. And do not treat them in the same appalling manor that the Vietnam Vets were treated. Being 46 years old, I remember well, the horrible names such as “war mongers and baby killers.” Even worst, some people actually spit in the faces of those “Heroes.” There is always going to be debates on issues of war, and foriegn policy but please, try to honor our “Heroes.” Pray they return home quickly and safely, to their families. I know I will.
AMEN SISTER!!
AMEN SISTER!!